What is the difference between socionics and mbti

Joined Aug 19, Messages 1, If you take Jung at face value, bottom line is they use different criteria to give people different types. The main thing being that types weren't meant as something that is always constant throughout someone's life, nor is it supposed to be used as a stereotyping tool.

Jung's types are more a philosophical outline of different dualistic ways of being, intended to help people better understand their motivations and behavior, not to define themselves by type.

Take that for what you will. Forever Permabanned. One has the fourth letter an uppercase, and the other does not. MBTI, Socionics respectively. Fay I am. Joined Jun 6, Messages 3, They both use jungian cognitive functions to define one's type and have very similar criterias on how certain functions influence one's behavior.

They both deal with similar structure of types and similar order of functions, however differences can be visible. Socionics believe that every type uses every function, while MBTI works with only 4 function theory. For socionics it is the order of all 8 functions that create the type. In socionics theory the functions are placed in different blocks of one's psyche, those blocks are ego, super ego, super-id, id block.

Ego, super-ego, super-id and id are based on Freud's theory. According to Freud ego is our human personality, our own self, the "I" in the person.

Id creates our most animalistic needs we need to learn to control, but also to satisfy. Super-ego is the pressure we feel from society, the "I must do this" in our life, something we can see in others but might miss in our own self, something maybe even repulsive or too tensive. Based on the placement of the functions in those blocks, the quadra and the type can be created. There is also a difference between j and p. Socionics is not a dichotomy theory like MBTI.

Socionics is based on jungian functions and therefore doesn't operate with MBTI lifestyle dichotomy, but differs j and p types based on the preference of the first function.

I personally haven't read enough on Reinin dichotomies to be able to explain them all. Starcrash said:. Very different. The descriptions of the functions or information elements tend to vary between the two systems and of course both systems' interpretations vary wildly from what Jung wrote, but someone else has already pointed that out. Also, some MBTI devotees seem to favor the 4 function model, whilst completely ignoring the other 4 some get around this by resigning the other 4 to "shadow" status , whereas Socionics considers all elements' influence on a person's type.

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I absolutely love this website. Stick with it! Leave a Reply Cancel reply Enter your comment here Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:. Email required Address never made public. Name required. Follow Following. Sign me up. For instance, mbti generally analyzes the human personality and behavior as it is. You generally know as an un spoken rule that you cannot type someone a particular type just because they are a liberal or conservative, meanwhile it is the exact opposite for socionics.

They cannot be the same system if they judge and measure different things. The structures of the two systems are immensely different.

Below, you can see concepts and ideas that exist solely in mbti, solely in socionics, and some fundamental but broad similarities. This is everything that has not been hyperlinked in the appropriate section. Insight by Socionics Blogspot. Search this site. Following Jung, we all have a piece of everything in us, but we also have a preference for each dimension - energy management, taking information, making a decision.

Yes, N stands for iNtuition, as i stands for Introverted. They described the structure of the preferences of the cognitive functions: sixteen combinations rephrase Jung's preferences, with the three axis from Jung energy orientation of the dominant function, perception function, judgment function and with a fourth axis, describing whether the extraverted function among the main two functions used by a profile is either a perception function or a judgment function.

Every profile has an inward function and an outward function, every profile has a perception function and a judgment function. With a main dominant and an auxiliary auxiliary function, this makes 16 combinations of letters, and 16 archetypes to describe common traits of a profile. Its main weakness is that this way of typing is not accurate at all - though it had a huge success in business.

This was a weakness from the science viewpoint, as the MBTI never improved upon itself, by trying to describe with better accuracy the nature of our cognitive functions which was Jung's goal. They founded socionics, which is an extrapolation of Jung's work to describe how the 16 profiles communicate and interact with one another. Socionics also developed a fourth axis beyond Jung's three axis, but do not be misunderstood about it, as it is not the same fourth axis as in MBTI.

In socionics, the fourth letter describes whether the dominant function of a profile is a perception function p or a judgment function j.

However, while MBTI focused on typing with four letters, socionics kept working both on the four-letter code and on the description of the Jungian functions. For the four-letter code, socionics described one-letter archetypes like in MBTI, but also two-letter and three-letter archetypes. About the Jungian functions, socionics described how a given Jungian function e. Introverted Thinking could be described by a slightly different archetype depending on its rank within the eight functions - while MBTI described mostly the first two or the first four functions of a profile, socionics tried to describe the eight functions of a profile, by decreasing order of preference.

Trying to describe a cognitive profile by an order of functions leads us to figuring out how stress states may alter our use of our preferred functions. This topic was mentioned by Jung through the concept of Shadow , it is hardly described in MBTI not much developed either is the topic of mastering our functions as we grow older - there are a few life stages when we care differently for our preferred cognitive functions , while socionics described a stress model called Model-A this is a first step on our journey.

Socionics was developed independently of MBTI. The creator of socionics Aushra Augusta used Jung as a starting point as did MBTI but said that in the process his definitions "were changed beyond recognition" The Socion. She also incorporated the concept of information metabolism from a psychologist named Antoni Kempinsky, so that the functions are not only vague collections of behaviors as in Jung, but objective categories we use to describe reality.

In socionics the functions were defined very early on, in terms of Model A. Socionics also has a theory of relationships between types, which is absent from MBTI.